The Water Seeker ([info]plymouth) wrote in [info]no_poo,

Pimples?

So about a month ago I made the decision that I needed to transition to washing my hair less often, mainly because I figured out that showering is my largest personal usage of water and california is low on water resources (and, as a lesser secondary reason, I wanted my semi-permanent special effects hairdye to last longer). I used to wash and condition every day, showers took me about 10-12 minutes. Even with my low-flow showerhead that's 20gal. I posted to [info]longhair and got a variety of advice, including someone who pointed me here. I have been reading ever since then and I haven't seen anyone with my problem post and I can't find a "pimples" or "acne" tag so maybe noone else has had this problem. But I figure it can't hurt to ask.

If I skip a day of washing my hair, even if I do a water-only wash that day, I get pimples. 1-3 new pimples form for every day skipped. This is not psoriasis and it is not dandruff - it's definitely pimples as they look like the ones on my face and there is no flakey or dry skin accompanying them. I seem to have very acne-prone skin in general - at age 31 I still get pimples on my face and occasionally shoulders, but for some reason the ones on my scalp bother me more (I always manage to break them open running my fingnails over my scalp and then they bleed). The ones on my scalp ARE preventable - just by washing every day (if I do this religiously I only get one or two every few months).

I even saw a dermatologist about my acne a few years back. His solution was to put me on antibiotics for a very long time and all that accomplished was to reduce them slightly but not eliminate them. I gave up after about 2 years because I didn't think the idea of being on antibiotics constantly was good (I've always thought of them as more of an emergency measure, not to be abused - the world does not need more antibiotic-resistant bacteria!). The pimples on my scalp seem to be caused by the grease blocking up pores so the idea of waiting through a greaseball detox period scares the heck out of me - I'm afraid that by the end of it my scalp would be one massive bleeding wound.

Things that I have tried:
- dry shampoo with cornstarch (created gummy mess as the cornstarch mixed with the grease and refused to comb back out)
- lavendar tea rinse (smelled nice but did not lessen grease or prevent pimples)
- rosemary tea rinse (same)
- tea tree oil massaged into scalp after hair dried (same)
- apple cider vinegar rinse (did not prevent pimples OR smell nice! reduced grease slightly over water only but not much.)
- baking soda rinse + ACV rinse (stripped my hair and made it feel like straw. was SHOCKED that people consider this less harsh than shampoo. maybe I need a weaker solution (I used 1c water plus, uh, some. I didn't measure, just sprinkled a little in). applied conditioner to hair the same day so I don't actually know if it would have prevented pimples had I waited a day)
- wooden-tooth brush to distribute scalp oil (doesn't remove enough oil to eliminate pimpling and, damn, I just don't have the patience to brush my hair that much)
- conditioner-only (reduces time it takes to wash my hair, but still needs to be done daily or I get pimples)

So, as of this writing I am conditioner-only. I haven't actually used shampoo on my hair in three weeks. I alternate between Max Green Alchemy scalp rescue conditioner and Avalon Organics tea-tree mint treatment conditioner, both of which are all-vegetarian no-harsh-chemicals earthy-crunchy brands (the latter seems to work a little better on my scalp but the former works better on the length of my hair and I love love love the smell - it's like lemongrass - so I can't pick just one). I sometimes use ShiKai color-reflect conditioner on just the length (never the scalp) but mostly that's because I have some I need to use up and when that is gone I won't buy more (it's all natural too but it seems like it would be too strong for my scalp and it contains dimethicone).

I was shocked to find that there was NO transition period with CO! I just switched to using conditioner on my scalp instead of shampoo on my scalp and, voila, my hair is still clean and happy! The conditioner absorbs the scalp oil and dirt and allows it to rinse out! I do find that it looks and feels slightly greasier than with my old shampoo routine, presumably because the conditioner contains oils itself that are being deposited, but it is such a light shiny oil that I don't mind at all. It does not seem to build up - the level of this oil is the same it was after my first CO wash three weeks ago. I have cut my shower time in half and the hairdye in my hair is lasting longer (I can tell because the water running off my head when I rinse isn't bright purple). This is much progress! It's funny - I always thought CO was just for curly-girls which is why I never tried it before but my hair is stick straight and loving it (that's my hair in the icon).

However, I still can't skip even a single day of washing without getting pimples and this bugs me. Has anyone else here had this problem? Or am I just a freak? Is there any hope of me ever being able to switch to true no-poo or will I have to do daily CO for the rest of my life?
Tags: acne/skin problems, color treated hair, conditioner only/curly girl

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[info]alpha_angel

July 12 2007, 21:24:20 UTC 4 years ago

I used to get pimples starting the day after I washed my hair with shampoo and conditioner, so I would wash my hair again. That would dry out the first batch, but then I'd get more pimples the next day. Then I cut all my hair off and so stopped using shampoo and conditoner. The first few days the pimples were horrible, and then they went away. I was on holiday in Australia and had a head full of red dust so borrowed my friend's shampoo - the next day I had horrible pimples on my scalp again. I haven't used shampoo or conditioner since (over a year) and the scalp pimples have gone. My backne cleared up a lot too. I'm pretty certain that the pimples were caused by a sensitivity to SLS. When I stopped using bodywash, my backne cleared up almost entirely. I tried using my leftover bodywash to shave my legs, but ended up with pimples on my legs too! No more SLS for me.

I got scalp pimples because I had washed my hair the day before, not because I hadn't.

[info]plymouth

July 12 2007, 21:37:09 UTC 4 years ago

People have mentioned this, but the conditioners I am using contain no SLS. So it can't be that.

[info]plymouth

July 12 2007, 21:45:42 UTC 4 years ago

But, ok, assuming there is something in both of my conditioners I am allergic to (I guess I could scan the ingredients lists for common ingredients) and I try going off of it entirely, how long would you say the pimples lasted for? A week? And was that with water-washes in the meantime or no washing at all? Maybe I could stand a week of pimples. I don't know. It was pretty awful by the time I got to the end of the week of trying out the tea rinses and vinegar and baking soda and such (though I've never actually gone more than 4 days without using any shampoo/conditioner at all).

[info]alpha_angel

July 13 2007, 04:01:47 UTC 4 years ago

When I first cut out the shampoo etc, I used baking soda and ACV rinses, every few days - I used to wash my hair every day. I'd do vinegar rinses on the days that I didn't use BS and a vinegar rinse, after 4 weeks I found that my hair didn't get dirty enough to need the soda, so just keept on with vinegar rinses and started water only on the days I didn't use vinegar, until about 4 weeks later my hair wasn't getting greasy enough for the vinegar either, so I've been water-only ever since, with a vinegar rinse maybe once a month for dandruff. I rinse my hair whenever I have a shower - twice a week.

The pimples were bad the first few days, but I didn't get any new ones after that, and the others healed in the usual time.

[info]antistatic_86

July 12 2007, 21:39:52 UTC 4 years ago

I haven't experienced this problem, but I did recently have a breakthrough about pimples. It sounds like you might have food allergies that could be causing such persistent acne. I personally just discovered that dairy and all it's by-products were causing my pervasive, troublesome acne. You may not be allergic to dairy - it could be wheat or something else. But I read somewhere that 46% of people have a food allergy and are unaware of it. Of course, it might not be food allergies at all, but if you do have them and take care to avoid them, you might have a lot less trouble keeping any surface issues under control. Googling dairy or wheat allergies will give you a lot of information, if you're interested.

[info]plymouth

July 12 2007, 21:50:34 UTC 4 years ago

oh god. I know people who have dairy and wheat allergies and it makes their lives awfully tough. Those two ingredients are in practically everything! I have enough trouble avoiding the one thing I've proven I'm definitely allergic to - tomatoes! I wonder how I'd figure it out. I guess try eliminating it from my diet for a month or something, huh. Thanks for the suggestion!

[info]antistatic_86

July 12 2007, 22:02:22 UTC 4 years ago

No kidding! I love milk and cheese and was having enough trouble trying to face not eating them anymore, but then I realized how much dairy is in EVERYTHING! Butter, milk chocolate, etc., sour cream, cream cheese, etc., obvious milk products you don't automatically think of when you hear milk, but other stuff, too. I mean, chips! There are tons of brands of chips I can't eat any more! And since I've been reading ingredients like a mad crazy person recently, I've noticed wheat as well! I don't know how people allergic to wheat ever find anything to eat...

[info]possibilities

July 12 2007, 22:51:11 UTC 4 years ago

The extra oils you're noticing from CO is likely your own sebum. CO doesn't strip the natural oils off the hair.

Are you rinsing thoroughly with CO? That's such a common problem. Remember that conditioner is so much thicker than shampoo, and leaving any residue can cause scalp problems. It's better to rinse way too much than too little. Also, make sure you are really covering your scalp. I get best results when I make sure my scalp is slippery with conditioner. And the best, most cleansing conditioners for CO usually are light ones with one or more fatty alcohols (most often Cetearyl Alcohol and Cetyl Alcohol) near the top of the ingredients. The acne may be because your scalp isn't getting cleansed enough, even if the root hairs are.

[info]plymouth

July 12 2007, 23:18:36 UTC 4 years ago

The extra oils you're noticing from CO is likely your own sebum. CO doesn't strip the natural oils off the hair.

It has to be removing SOME of the sebum though, or I would have three weeks worth of buildup accumulated! And I don't.

Are you rinsing thoroughly with CO?

No, I don't rinse thorougly because if I rinse all the conditioner out of my hair until it feels "clean" then it as if I never used conditioner in the first place - the length tangles. I've learned over years of practice what level of "slightly slimy" the length of my hair needs to feel like for it to behave. If I need to rinse my scalp "clean" then maybe I need to apply the length conditioner separately after rinsing the scalp conditioner thoroughly out. But then I'm right back to my 2-step process using as much water as I did when I used both shampoo and conditioner! Hmm. Well maybe I'll try this next, since 10min every 2 days would be the same amount of water as 5min every day and would make me hopeful of being able to transition to even less than that.

Also, make sure you are really covering your scalp

That I'm definitely doing. I figured out I needed to dilute the conditioner with water in order to get it to spread over my whole scalp and apply separate globs to the top, back, and sides (wheras with shampoo I could just apply on top and count on the lather to distribute it around the rest of my head).

The acne may be because your scalp isn't getting cleansed enough

Well, like I said, as long as I do it every day it is! It's just not enough to last more than one day :P

[info]possibilities

July 12 2007, 23:39:15 UTC 4 years ago

How often you do it isn't always a measure of how well it's done. I sing every day, but I still sound like a hyperactive toddler squealing at a puppy. ;) If your scalp doesn't get cleansed enough, then the "dirty" problem crops up sooner.

I always have to use a second conditioner on my length. I haven't found any conditioner that both cleans enough and conditions enough. If you're diluting the conditioner, you might not be getting enough of the cleansing parts of it to your scalp. Have you tried it undiluted and still had the problem? I just use really super runny cheap conditioners, but if "natural" matters to you, you might not be able to go that route.

If your scalp acne ever clears up, 'scritching' with a fine-toothed, pointy natural comb (I use a dollar store wood comb) might help it from coming back. I have to do that every few days or I start getting zits. But I wouldn't recommend trying it until after your acne's under control.

[info]plymouth

July 13 2007, 14:49:00 UTC 4 years ago

Well I think a better analogy might be mowing your lawn - like you can mow it down to 2" and leave it for 2 weeks before mowing again, or you can cut it to 4" but then you have to do it every week. Is the 4" lawn not cut enough? Personally I prefer it - I hate having super-short grass :)

I really doubt I've diluted the conditioner so much that it's no longer cleansing - like I can still hold the bottle upside-down and it doesn't run towards the neck of the bottle unless I shake it - it was super-thick to start with. (both the MGA and the Aubrey). I'm probably still working with 2/3 conditioner 1/3 water, though I don't know exact proportions since I've basically been adding water as I use the product so the bottle stays "full". I figure when it gets down to slightly-runny I'll stop adding water. Nice thing about this is that even though it's an expensive-ish conditioner it will stretch to more uses :)

Natural matters to me mainly because I figured it would be less likely to irritate my scalp and make matters worse. Which I suppose is silly - afterall poison-ivy is a plant, so there's no magic formula that says plants = no irritation :)

Anyway, I will try the two-step conditioner process this morning and see how that goes. Thanks for the advice!

[info]possibilities

July 13 2007, 16:25:22 UTC 4 years ago

I suppose mowing a lawn is a better analogy. But I've never done that, so I didn't think of it! :)

I'd be concered about too much dilution even if it is that thick, because of the types of conditioners you're using. I haven't seen a single Aubrey conditioner with any of what I consider to be cleansing ingredients; Avalon Organics have very low levels of them, so low that I can't even get them to clean properly undiluted. And the Avalon Organics have 'cones now, too, which can be bothersome for CO if they build up on the scalp.

Well, good luck! I can't imagine growing my hair so long if my scalp gave me so many problems; I'm far too lazy. :)

[info]plymouth

July 13 2007, 22:01:46 UTC 4 years ago

Oops, I meant avalon, not aubrey. I don't have anything by aubrey. I keep confusing those two. I did notice that avalon organics on their website lists amodimethicone as an ingredient but it definitely doesn't say that on the bottle I have, which I bought a couple of months ago.

damnit I really hate when you find a product you like and then the company changes the formulation :P

[info]possibilities

July 13 2007, 22:12:36 UTC 4 years ago

Me too! I almost wished I hadn't looked it up. I love the Avalon peppermint. Maybe ignorance could've been bliss... ;-p

[info]komoriblue

July 12 2007, 22:55:36 UTC 4 years ago

I have always had HORRIBLY greasy skin and hair. I too went no 'poo (BS and ACV, specifically), and saw an increase in pimples. Then it just sort of leveled off. A couple of months ago, I decided to try washing my face with castor oil instead of soap. It didn't seem to have much effect either way, so I just stopped using anything but water. My face has finally cleared up, and looks as good as it ever did when I was seeing a dermatologist and crazy voodoo doctors all of the time. It was pretty greasy for about a month, but now I just rinse it in the morning and evening, and sometimes in the middle of the day if I've been sweating a lot.

[info]alison_in_oh

July 13 2007, 01:45:21 UTC 4 years ago

So this might sound weird, but I've just been reading about aspirin facial masks. Seems the salicylate in aspirin has a similar effect to salycilic acid in acne treatments, and can tighten pores and kill pimples.

Maybe you could try an aspirin-and-water wash? Apparently the aspirin dissolves easily in water if you get a (relatively) uncoated sort, and is kind of gritty so you could use that to exfoliate your scalp a bit.
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