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How to use oil and how to get it off when you used too much
gatorgirl7563 wrote in no_poo
I have super-low porosity hair and last night I put the 1/4 teaspoon of castor oil in my 1/2 cup of 1:2 acv-water mixture, shook, and then put on my hair, and left in. It was too much and now my hair is a total greaseball. It's oily and I brush and brush but it doesn't really untangle. HOW DO I GET IT OUT?!

Am I supposed to do something to make that oil not float on top of my mixtures in the future? Do essential oils float, too?

If I want to leave a diluted avc-water mix in my hair at the end of my routine, then how many drops (of castor oil or anything else) should I put into the next 1/2 cup acid rinse I leave in?

after 24 years of using store-bought shampoo and conditioner
COLOR: medium brown
TEXTURE: extremely fine
LENGTH: very long, nearly to my belt
THICKNESS: extremely thin
MOISTURE: a crisco factory when the boss is watching because a deadline is approaching and his job is on the line (aka super greasy)
POROSITY: extremely low (Still floating after twelve hours.)
SHAPE: very straight and very limp - no height, no volume, no fluff etc
HEALTH: fine
WATER QUALITY: soft, filtered

I have peppermint, rosemary, lavender, and cinnamon ESO, as well as castor oil, vitamin E oil, tea tree oil, jojoba oil, and fractionated coconut oil.
Is any of that an oil that definitely shouldn't be combined with vinegar and/or left in my hair?
Is any of that an oil that I would be better off mixing with my raw honey/canned coconut milk/castile liquid soap mixture instead? Or mixed with my baking soda/water mixture?
Is any of that an oil that should only be put on my hair tips? Or combed into my hair?
Or anything else, like my greasy, fine, long hair type?

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i would just use shampoo this time and start over next time you shower.

why do you want to use oil if your hair is already greasy naturally? (not criticising, just curious.)

back when i experimented with castor oil, i put only one or two drops in, but i have drastically different hair than you do.

if i remember correctly, i experimented two ways. one, i shook up in my rinse bottle, and the other way, i just smoothed it on with my fingers. i don't remember which way worked better. it's probably in here somewhere.
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Why i added oil to my oily hair

The recipes I looked at and liked had them. They talked about essential oils more like medicine-type ingredients ('rosemary is great for an oily scalp!') and less like oily oils. Besides, I had never actually seen or used an essential oil by itself before and didn't know oil meant 'oil' and wasn't just a term used to describe concentrated herb juice, like aloe vera juice. I mean really, how do you get oil from rosemary? Olives are a fruit, so of course you could get juice/oil out of it, but rosemary is a shrub-plant-herb-thing.

Re: Why i added oil to my oily hair

essential oils act different from nut and fruit oils. they're lighter (smaller molecules) and don't sit on the hair like fruit/nut oils do.

this explains how they extract essential oils. http://www.naha.org/explore-aromatherapy/about-aromatherapy/how-are-essential-oils-extracted

my question was why did you want to put castor oil on your greasy hair. you can tell the difference between a light essential oil and a heavy oil from how much is in the package and the quantity you get for a certain amount of money. essential oils are very expensive, and come in 1/2 oz bottles usually, and smell very strongly.

even with my dry scalp, i almost never put a heavy oil on my hair these days. (if that means anything.)

no 'poo is essentially encouraging your scalp to progressively produce fewer and fewer oils so you don't have to use so many products. if you use [heavy] oils when you don't have to (or, really, when you shouldn't, probably ever) then that means you then need to use more "products" to get the unnecessary oil out, and that irritates your scalp and it'll produce more sebum. (the opposite of what you want it to do)

and yes, essential oils do float, but just shake your bottle immediately before applying your rinse, and it'll be fine. they're so lightweight that they mix in happily and don't separate from the water as quickly as a heavier oil would.

Re: Why i added oil to my oily hair

I didn't think of no poo that way "essentially encouraging your scalp to progressively produce fewer and fewer oils so you don't have to use so many products", not when it came to researching recipes. I knew it in the back of my mind, but forgot to apply that knowledge.
I just found a recipe I liked -- it had essential oils and castor oil -- so I experimented using just the castor oil (since it's cheaper) to try to learn about it. I guess I need to look at each ingredient before I put it on my head and ask myself if it passes the "goal of no poo" test, instead of blindly following a recipe I found online.

I had read about the use of carrier oils with EOs, and knew, in theory, that some oils were thicker and heavier than others, evaporated faster than others, absorbed by hair/skin more readily than others, etc, but there are some concepts and ideas that just won't *click* with my mind until I can actually put my hands on them and use them first hand. (You know, like: How can one oil be heavier than another when they all float on top of water? or How much difference can that heaviness make when they all still float?)

The recipe put the oils in the basic scrub and rinsed out the acid. I wanted to leave in the acid rinse and make my hair as nice smelling as possible, so I just moved the EOs to the acid rinse and cut the amount in half. All on paper, since I haven't actually used my version of the recipe yet.

(Actually, I was going to try the recipe this week -- completely removing the castor oil and cutting down the EO amount even more after the castor oil debacle -- but the water softener, which makes our hard water soft, broke. After reading all the hardships and nasty wax experienced by those with hard water, I have decided to wait until it is repaired if I can. Since I'm trying not to let even a drop of hard water touch my hair, it means I'm getting a lot of experience in the use of corn starch.)

One of my goals, besides my main one of going longer between washes without looking like a greaseball, is to smell at least as nice as if I was still using shampoo. I would love to walk around smelling like the lavender vanilla Poo-Pourri my mom uses to keep from stinking up the bathroom.
If I could make myself smell like that and look good doing it, then even my very unsupportive mother (when it comes to no poo) might be willing to at least listen to the logic of no poo.

Edited at 2014-10-15 02:12 pm (UTC)

Re: Why i added oil to my oily hair

my point is that castor oil isn't an essential oil. it acts completely differently.

oh. and ALL oils are lighter than water. it's a spectrum. water is even heavier than the heavy oils.)

if you really want to learn the science, the word you'll want to google is density. (and the heaviness of oils i was referring to is molecular weight.)

Edited at 2014-10-15 04:01 pm (UTC)

Night 1:
I put the castor oil/avc-water mixture in my hair.
Hair looked greasy. Felt greasy. Could not brush out some tangles.


Night 2:
bs wash (1:16 baking soda:water, plus 1/8 tesp salt),
rinse,
honey wash (1 tbsp honey, 3 tbsp filtered water),
rinse,
another bs wash, same as before
avc-water scrub and soak for 2 minutes (1:2),
rinse,
splash of avc-water on hair only (1:4),
left in,
eventually dipped bottom 3 inches of hair in avc-water (1:2),
also left in (hair was still wet so this was further diluted by gravity)

I really scrubbed with all of these steps, and since the castor oil was all over my scalp and hair, I also scrubbed my hair length with the bs both times, which is not a recommended thing to do.
My hair was shiny and clean when I was done, but very dry and quite brittle, so I decided not to brush it just yet. I probably could have done it, as my hair was pretty healthy and strong to begin with (so my definition of 'bad' might still mean my hair is a lot more healthy than yours when you call it 'bad'), but I am not the most patient brusher. Even while still drying, I could tell that my ends felt oddly rough and dry.


Morning of 3rd day of Ordeal:
blended juicy pulp from 1 large freshly cut aloe leaf, 1/3 cup of honey, 3 egg yolks (totaling about 1 cup of thick mix the density of gravy but more viscous like syrup), (wanted to add yogurt but didn't have plain, sugar free)
scrubbed hair length and scalp for 2 minutes,
let soak for 15 minutes, (easy to do)
avc-water soak for 2 minutes (1:2),
rinse,
splash of avc-water on hair only (1:4),
left in,
dipped bottom 3 inches of hair in avc-water (1:2),
left in

Froze leftover half cup of gunk for next oil mishap. My hair is nearly belt length and this was enough for two servings.

Hair was shiny, soft, moisturized, and easy to untangle everywhere except the two-day old tangles. Used wide-toothed comb. My hair tips were still oddly dry and rough, but nowhere near as much as before. I did brush a half dozen tiny pieces of aloe tissue/pulp from my hair. They came out easily while my hair was still wet. (I don't know if that would change if I had let my hair completely dry first or if I had found pieces in hair later after it was dry. I *think* it would still come out easily from dry hair.)


Morning of 4th day of Ordeal:
Hair is still soft, shiny, moisturized, easy to untangle. Hair tips still slightly more dry/rough than normal, but very acceptable.


There's no reason you have to space out the washes like I did. I would have dipped my hair tips in some other kind of oil, like maybe coconut, if I had some, but what I ordered is still in the mail.

Edited at 2014-10-12 04:42 pm (UTC)

One thing I do recommend for future oil oops!-ers or deep conditioners is to let whatever natural cleaner you use sit in your hair for 15 minutes. Not *about* 15 min, or *around* 15 min, but actually 15 minutes.
Maybe 17 minutes, just to be on the safe side, to make sure that the last spot on your scalp/hair where cleaner was applied has had 15 min to soak.
That's how long it takes hair shafts to absorb whatever cleanser you put on it, which means an 8 minute soak, or even two 8 min soaks, won't be nearly as effective as one lasting twice as long.
Maybe I wouldn't have had to do some many steps on my hair (to get all the oil out and rescue my hair from what I did to it to get everything out) if I had applied this technique to my baking soda and/or honey washes, but I didn't learn it until after I started researching about natural conditioners because of what the over-washing did.


Also, between bs and honey washes, I didn't check my hair to try to determine if all/enough of the castor oil was gone. I decided beforehand that I was going to do x, y, and z to remove oil and then did it because I wanted the oil OUT! So maybe I could have stopped with only one bs wash.

Edited at 2014-10-13 07:16 pm (UTC)

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