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Crust on scalp!
galleth wrote in no_poo
Yesterday morning, while I was styling my hair while still wet, I was upset, because I had lots of flakes. When I looked closer, I realised that a white crust was covering the top of my scalp, from my hairline to the back. It was looking like scales, and it would come off in small particles if I scratched it with my nails. I couldn't believe it, especially since I'd just done a thourough rinse, scrubbing my scalp and using a mild white vinegar rinse (1tbsp in 1 cup water). So, I scratched a lot of it, bent over the bath, rinsed really well in cool water with the detachable shower head, poured 50/50 white vinegar/water mix, scrubbed and scrubbed, and scratched, and rinsed, rinsed, rinsed in cool water. I was relieved when I parted my hair and the flakes seemed to be gone.

But WHY did this happen? Is it going to be happening again? I don't want to mess up my scalp, it was perfect before going no poo. I NEVER had any flakes problem even using big bad SLS shampoos, and even less any kind of psoriasis! I've been poo free since April 4th 2007, and I am just starting to have scalp issues.

Here is what I did this week, so maybe some of you can pinpoint what I did wrong:

Sunday: Massaged scalp, mild white vinegar rinse (1tbsp/1cup water), scrubbed well.

Tuesday: Massaged scalp, mild white vinegar rinse again. Had some sebum issues, so spritzed with chamomile tea, combed through, came out really nice. In the evening, brushed hair and scalp, put in a braid to sleep.

Wednesday: No rinse, chamomile tea spritzer only, wet my hair with it, combed through, styled with a little bit of jojoba oil/coconut oil at the ends, came out great. Evening, brushed hair and scalp, put in a braid to sleep.

Thursday: Scalp massage, Sea salt rinse first try (1/4 tsp sea salt in 1 cup water), scrubbed scalp really well, rinsed, finished with mild vinegar rinse, rinsed well, leave-in, chamomille tea. Style as usual with jojoba/coconut oil on ends, looked great.

Friday: No rinse, same as wednesday, hair looked terrific!

Saturday: No rinse, same as wednesday.

Sunday: Hair was very greasy, so massaged scalp, rinsed in shower, mild white vinegar rinse, rinsed well, and.... horror crusty scaly scalp happened.

Is it possible it's because of the sea salt wash? The one I used is not very strong though.
Maybe it's because I wet partially my hair everyday with the spritzer? I find it relieves the waxiness and bring back my loose curls... Maybe it's groing some kind of yeast? It's not itchy though, and I use white vinegar in my rinses all the time.
Please, help!

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Could just be good ol' fungal dandruff.

Oh, and yay Wellington! The weather was really nice this morning before the front moved in...

About fungal dandruff.... what do you suggest I do? Crank up the 50/50 white vinegar/water to twice a week? And I'm having a hard time figuring out why I would get dandruff in the first place, since I use white vinegar every other day!

Now about WEllington.. we had such a great weekend, and this morning, sunny! Yay! 5 minutes later, it's winter again...

I'm not sure what to do about fungal dandruff, I think I'm having the same problem at the moment. I do water-only normally, but I used a 50/50 rinse and it didn't seem to do much. I find it's great for getting rid of normal flakes (simple excess dead skin) but I'm not sure how good it is for fungal problems.

Damn it! Since my last 50/50 yesterday morning (and I let it sit on my scalp for a minute), I don't seem to have any flakes anymore, I'll have to see if it stays like that...

I'm pretty sure vinegar is good against dandruff, because doesn't fungus need alcali environment to grow? Hang in there...

i don't, to the best of my knowledge, have any personal experience with 'fungal dandruff' but... teatree oil is a fairly potent anti-fungal. maybe try adding a good slug of teatree to a strong (like 1:1) WV rinse and massaging the scalp thoroughly?

Yes, I read about tea tree oil several times on the Internet. Lemon, salt, vinegar are also believed to be good against dandruff.

I tried the 1:1 WV rinse yesterday morning, and it seemed to work well. I hope it stays like this.

Having only just got started on a no-poo regimen, I haven't had any experience with this myself, but from what I've read elsewhere, brown sugar scrubs are supposed to be very good against this sort of thing. Just take a handful of brown sugar into the shower before you wash your hair, gently massage it into your scalp, then rinse out and wash as you would normally. Good luck.

I would second the brown sugar. If that doesn't work, I would try the tea-tree oil. Both have worked for me for dandruff.

I think brown sugar is efficient to remove dead skin... I'm not sure it would work in the case of fungal dandruff? But I might try it if the crust reappears... yuk. I also heard that tea-tree oil works for some people, but irritates the scalp of others. Thanks for your help!

How utterly bizarre!

I've been confused because after having had less flakes for a while, I'm having more now. Of course, I've been using things other than white vinegar too. But this is very strange!

I might need to look up this "fungal dandruff" phenomenon. It sounds sort of scary?

Yes I know, all of this is so very confusing! It goes against all I thought I understood.... damn! Fungus is supposed to develop in alkali environment, so vinegar would be good against it.

Sounds scary to me too! I'm not sure it's "fungal dandruff" I've got, and maybe it's not what you got either. Maybe it's just because I didn't massage my scalp vigourously enough lately and some dead flakes accumulated? The crust doesn't seem to be back today, I'll see how that goes tomorrow when I rinse.... I'll keep you updated.

Yes, do let me know what happens.

The idea of fungus on our heads is terrifying, isn't it? Yeah, I'm holding out hope that that's not it.

Maybe something in what you used to use before going no-poo prevented flakes, or maybe your scalp is adjusting just like our hair has to. Who knows!

If you find a good solution, please let me know. I am water only and I use a natural bristle brush. It seems to work sometimes but not others. I can't figure out the pattern though.

"I am water only and I use a natural bristle brush. It seems to work sometimes but not others"

I'm sorry, I'm not sure I understand... do you mean the water only work sometimes, of the BBB helps you control dandruff?

I just meant my regimen in general, I guess.

Oh I see! Yes, it's very far from being easy. Takes perseverance! But my hair is so much better now than when I was using shampoo, that's what is keeping me going... I just can't go back! Good luck to you!

May I ask what kind of chamomile spritzer you use? Is it just good old chamomile tea or do you add other things to it, as well?

Right now it's chamomile tea and two drops of lavender EO (I think it's the aromatherapy grade though, so it's just for the scent). I love the mix of both smells. :)

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