the no 'poo method

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poster100 wrote in no_poo
So I am new to the no poo world.
I have tried in the past beer, which a different website said that the alcohol in it was supposedly good for people with oily hair that the alcohol would dry it up and make you hair pretty. Well that didn't work it just made me smell like a bar until i actual shampooed my hair.
I have also tried egg, which sounded awesomely Ramona Quimby to me and supposedly was suppose to make my hair shiny and full of life, but did nothing for my super greasy hair.
I have very fine very thin hair, it's medium length, and very greasy. Any suggestions on which no poo method would be best for me? I'm thinking of trying backing soda next but also am very interested in fining out if this whole apple cider vinegar thing will do anything for me?

Also what is the best website or youtube channel for a tutorial on how to use the different methods?

Update: I have now also tried washing with a corn starch mixture. I have used corn starch as a dry shampoo method before and thought because i have no baking soda it might be a a good replacement. The first time it worked perfectly. Today I tried it again with bad results. After I washed it with the corn starch mixture my hair dried but still appeared wet/ or maybe greasy is the better word. It clumped together and looked terrible but it felt clean. It was an odd experience.
I then had to re-shower and use real shampoo. I am upset that I had to break the cycle, but I am still not sure how this whole no-poo thing works or what method will work best for me. Does anyone have any suggestions for how to get the processes going?

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I'm of the mind set that there is no right or wrong hair care, but what works best for the individual and their circumstance. I've heard stories of people getting all the look&feel results they want with WO, baking soda and vinegar, or cornstarch, Deva Curls, and regular shampoo and conditioner. WO with boar hair is my personal favorite because it (along with WO body washing) has cut my shower time down to 2-3 minutes and given my hair volume (how it looks,) body (how it feels/it does not feel fine/weak/thin), curl, highlights, shine, drying time of about 30min, and no dry ends or odor. I'm okay with the hair brushing in the morning and before bed. Also, I'm okay with the brushing turning my hair (temporarily) straight (until I wet it,) it giving my hair the feeling like it has leave in conditioner, and of washing my brush once a week or so.

I've been no-poo for about 6 years, baking soda and vinegar for about two of those, vinegar rinse and boars hair brush for a couple of months, WO for a month, and WO with boars hair brushing for about the last six months. With shampoo and conditioners my hair was straight/wavy, frizzy, not many highlights or much shine, and was fine and medium/thin. With Deva Curls, a no-poo cleanser and conditioner, my hair got curly and shiny (but not much volume or body and the brand was very expensive.) Baking soda and vinegar got me curlier hair, gave my hair volume, kept the shine and was very cheap (I could never get the quantities or leave in time right and sporadically had ver dry hair and had the baby fine hair close to my face taken off with the vinegar.) Rinse and brushing still had the quantity problem. When I did WO with no brushing, my hair got sticky, hard to manage/comb and looked wet/greasy. Not having done enough research into WO and no brushing, I'm not sure if this would have been just a phase I cloud haves worked through. The best online resource I found for WO was a long hair community page and it promoted use of a boars hair brush.

One of my biggest encouragements along the way was the research I did on google on the science/chemistry behind baking soda and vinegar, and the other hair care methods I used. With a little poking around I found sights which answered many of my questions (but I don't remember the sites now, it was years ago when I looked at them.) Maybe a similar search would help you.


My name is Sara, I'm 24, and I've been 'no poo' for like 3 weeks now and I'm still tweaking my method to figure out what's best for me. I did a lot of research before I made the decision and I'm happy you decided to try this :)

What I wanted to explain though is that you REPLACE your shampoo with Baking Soda solution AND you REPLACE your conditioner with Apple Cider Vinegar solution. When you shower you use them both together. You put the Baking Soda solution in your wet hair and rub it in to your scalp, rinse very well, then rinse with the Apple Cider Vinegar solution after, then rinse that out.

Baking soda solution: 1 tablespoon baking soda + 1 cup water
Apple cider vinegar solution:1 tablespoon apple cider vinegar + 1 cup water

Good luck**

Here is the breakdown of what I do:

Once a month, on a greasy hair day, I warm up my roots with a blowdryer and run a boar bristle brush (I'm sure is a plastic knockoff) through small sections of hair to pull down the natural oils.

I have 2 empty 32oz Powerade bottles. Each bottle gets me 4 applications. 16 days.
Bottle 1- shampoo, I funnel in 1/3 cup baking soda, about a tsp. of sulfate free shampoo, and about 3 drops of tea tree EO. Then fill with distilled water.
Bottle 2- conditioner, I funnel in 1/3 cup apple cider vinegar, and about 5 drops tea tree oil, then fill with distilled water.
It works out to be just slightly over 1 Tbsp. per cup ratio, perfect for me.

In the shower I shake the mixture right before pouring it into an 8oz cleansing squeeze bottle. Otherwise the BS settles on the bottom.
I apply the BS solution directly to the scalp in several places, let it sit a minute then run my fingers through it rubbing the scalp- It should feel slimy!!! Rinse it out, Then apply the ACV solution away from the scalp let it sit while I shave, then rinse.

In between washings every 4 days I keep my hair dry using a swimcap. I use suave dry shampoo for touch ups and leave-in-conditioning spray on the ends.

If you are interested in getting started with a BS/ACV routine, here is what I would suggest:

1. Prepare your mixtures. The average ratio for BS as well as ACV is 1 tbsp: 1 cup water. If you have hard water, use distilled or boiled water. Use an old shampoo bottle or another type of squirt bottle will make it easier to apply the BS to your roots.

2. Gradually squirt your BS onto sections of your roots and massage it in using the pads of your fingers. It should begin to feel "slippery". This is something you might have to adjust your ratio to and find out what works best for you. When you are done rinse out ALL of the BS.

3. Apply your ACV solution. Most people on here will say they pour it onto their lengths and avoid the roots. Personally, using a squirt bottle to apply it all over my hair works for me.

It is all pretty simple once you get the hang of it. The transition phase will not allow for pleasing hair and can last up to 6 weeks or longer. I think that the longer you stretch your washes, the shorter your transition phase will be.

I'm new at this, too, but I've been reading, researching, and collecting data like crazy. Here's some of it.
BS baking soda
ACV apple cider vinegar
WV white vinegar
WO water only wash
BBB boar bristle brush
TTO tea tree oil
CO conditioner only

People go no-poo for many different reasons - to save money, protect the environment, keep strange and unnatural chemicals off themselves, traditional hair care isn't working for them - but the goal is always the same - a healthy, natural, great-looking hair and scalp.

The natural ph of your hair is 4. ( Pure water's ph is 7 and hard water's ph can be as high as 9. Substances with a ph less than 7 are said to be acidic and substances/mixtures with a ph greater than 7 are basic or alkaline. As a no poo-er, you want to keep your scalp's ph as close to 4 as possible, while at the same time it stays moisturized, shiny, strong, de-tangled, supple, volume, etc. It's a balancing act.

Each ingredient you use to accomplish this balancing act does at least one thing you like and often has at least one effect on your hair you don't like. Oh, the ingredients can interact with each other.

Basic (aka alkaline) ingredients and mixtures are your shampoo, while acidic mixtures are your conditioner, bringing your hair back up to it's normal acidity, making it shiny and untangle easily.

Some more basics, because I write really long comments

But what about frizzy-ness, dandruff, fluffy/limp, extra greasy or dry hair?

Well, that's when your other ingredients and when how your basic ingredients and acidic ingredients interact matter.
Tea tree oil, jojoba oil, coconut oil, coconut milk, castor oil, grapeseed oil, safflower oil, olive oil, vitamin e oil, avocado, shea, aloe, essential oils like rosemary, orange, lemongrass, peppermint, spearmint, cinnamon, or soaking your rinse in the actual herbs and then filtering them out before use. There's castile soap, homemade soaps, Dr. Bronner's soaps and shampoos, silicone- and paraben-free shampoos and conditioners.

And, of course, your hair is unique: its natural color, texture, length, thickness, moisture level, shape, and porosity will determine how it looks and feels in reaction to the ingredients you put on your head. Your quality of water (hard water, soft, filtered, salt water) also have a big effect on how your hair reacts to the ingredients. (i.e. Dr. Bronner's and hard water do not mix!)

Acidic ingredients are white vinegar, apple cider vinegar, lemon/lime/orange juice, strong tea, tomato sauce, apple sauce, beer, etc. Some people love what ACV does to their hair so much that they would marry it if they could, while others run screaming from ACV after a single use and still have nightmares about it. What I'm trying to say is, don't be afraid to experiment. If ACV leaves your hair feeling grimy, try WV or lemon juice.

Basic (alkaline) ingredients are baking soda, honey, clay, corn starch, egg whites, etc.

Acids should be put on the hair length, and mostly not the scalp (there's some debate over this). Bases go on the scalp and never ever on the hair length (it does make the hair softer but that is because it is actually slowly destroying it; at least that is what baking soda does. softer = falling apart).

Vinegar acids washes can be diluted anywhere from 1:16 to 1:2 (1 tbsp vinegar & 1 cup water to 1/2 cup vinegar & 1 cup water) while basic washes (involving baking soda) are usually not stronger than 1:16 or 1:8 .

Base before acid. Always. Always. Always! Or acid after base. Whichever is easier for you to remember.

Water-only washes are scrubbing your scalp with the pads of your fingers under scalding hot water to open and clean your pores, then rinse in frigid water to close your pores.

Conditioner Only wash is where you wash your hair only with a conditioner (which can be all natural/eco-friendly, homemade, or regular store bought.)

There are egg washes (usually egg yolk but sometimes whole egg) and beer washes. Some people swear that BBBs or wooden combs will solve all your oil and wax/sebum problems. Honey is a great moisturizing cleanser while applesauce is a mild de-greaser that doesn't strip your hair of its natural oils.

I really loved cactus_rs 's advice: "Scrub harder and rinse longer. The reason shampoos and soaps are effective is because they make it easier for water to cut through dirt and rinse it away. That's what the lather is doing: water's job, just much more effectively. When you take out the foaming agents and lather, that means you have to work a bit harder at getting stuff out. "

Whether your scalp is oily/greasy, waxy with nasty grey/yellow sebum that leaves gunk on your brush, has static, is limp, fluffy, dull, frizzy, brittle, breaking too easily, dry, dandruff, itchy, has split ends, the tags on this website can help you learn more about your hair type and how to make it look wonderful cheaply, naturally, and hopefully, easily.

Edited at 2014-10-10 04:21 pm (UTC)

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