the no 'poo method

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Alternates to BS?
donalbain_ wrote in no_poo
Hi No Poo,

Y'all are such a great community that I got off my butt and logged into LJ after three years just to make this post.

I've been a BS/ACV No Poo'er for about 4 months now, starting back in July. I have kinda coarse and a loooot of thick, somewhat straight, somewhat wavy black hair that would get oily on the second day after shampooing. (It's hard to describe. I'm Asian, but my hair has never looked super straight or sleek. It can get kinda frizzy/kinky at times.) At first my hair loved the BS. My hair was super soft after every wash and I rarely had to brush. I did get pretty oily by the fourth or fifth day, but that was a vast improvement over before when I was using shampoo. And I did achieve that slippery feeling people talk about when you first put the bs in your dry hair.

Now, however, even after diluting the BS by a lot (to the point where I literally just take a pinch and add it into 12 oz of water) I'm not getting that slippery feeling anymore. Instead, it just feels like everything clumps up even starting in the shower when I go to rinse the BS. Even worse, once dried my hair has turned gunky, my scalp is itchy and is producing some white gunky stuff, and my once-soft hair feels brittle and dry even when I'm an oil-slick by the fourth or fifth day. I've done nothing more than dilute the BS, while continuing to use 1tbsp ACV/1 cup water rinse every week or so.

I read in some blogs that BS will damage your hair after a while, and unfortunately I think my hair has hit that point. Any advice? I'm not ready to go back to shampoo, as I know how oily it makes me, but I need an alternative. I'm looking into soap nut shampoo right now, and making my own shampoo from soap nut liquid and coconut milk. Anybody have any experience with those?

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I have similar concerns about the BS damaging my hair (why didn't I find *that* on the internet when I was researching no 'poo a year and a half ago?) - and I'm going to give a shampoo bar a try. I have similar issues with itchy scalp, so I bought one that's supposed to be good for that - it's ingredients are listed as follows:

Saponified Oils of Olive, Coconut, Palm, Safflower and Castor. Aloe Vera Gel, Green Tea, Fresh Lemon, Grapefruit Seed Extract, Vitamin E, Rosemary Extract, Mica, Activated Charcoal, Essential Oils of Lavender, Benzoin Resin, Lemon, Patchouli and Cedarwood.

Do you know what brand of shampoo bar it is? I have some Shikakai bars in the mail on the way to me right now.

I just tried washing my hair with soap nut liquid last night and I wasn't thrilled with the results. It left my hair definitely cleaner than the BS did but it still feels gunky/waxy and I couldn't run my fingers through it at all. I just did an ACV rinse in the shower today and it feels slightly better, but still feels like there's some residue.

The name of the Etsy shop where I bought my shampoo bar is Mosalu. I should be getting in the mail tomorrow - hopefully it works like it says it does!

I have had to conclude from my own experiences that the baking soda & ACV method is overly damaging, too, and I think this information is more accessible now because the method has become so widespread since a year and a half ago. I could find no substantial complaints about it when I started in 2010. >o< Enough Internet-savvy people have been doing it for long enough now, I guess!

I've read that it's more the shock of your hair going very alkaline, then suddenly going acid, that is damaging. Must learn more about this, if information is available.

Shampoo bars have been so good to me. I have a really good feeling about a shikakai bar from an Etsy shop, but for now I am content with J. R. Liggett bars.

That's awesome. I'm glad more people are coming to this realization now. I thought I had somehow done BS/ACV wrong, but it just seemed like no matter how much I diluted nothing worked.

I have a lot of hopes for the Shikakai shampoo bar I ordered. I saw J. R. Liggett at my WF too, and might try that. Do you typically do a ACV rinse after, or do you find that you don't need conditioner?

I've been no poo for coming up on 10 months now and alternate between conditioner washes (silicone free) and egg washes (blend a cup of strong black tea, a whole egg, a tbs lemon juice and - if handy but not critical - tea tree essential oil, 1 tbs glycerin, 1 tbs aloe).
- week 1 conditioner wash, water wash for the rest of the week
- week 2 water washes
- week 3 egg wash
- week 4 water washes
- repeat

Works pretty well for me so far, but each person is different, and methods will have to be tweaked as your hair adjusts, your environment/diet changes, etc etc.

Just saw this post after already writing this one:

Wonder what the OP's current experience is now like?

I've stopped the BS altogether as it was damaging my scalp and hair. I switched briefly to a Shikakei shampoo bar, then to a natural shampoo bar (JR Ligette's) and rinsing with vinegar, and my hair liked that a lot more. It was clean, soft, but it definitely felt more dry. I can go about 3-4 days without washing my hair.

Right now I'm experimenting with co-washing once a week, alternating with the bar shampoo. It leaves my hair pretty greasy after 24 hours, but I'm definitely liking how soft it is initially. I think I have to experiment more with the amount of conditioner and the brand. I'm currently using Suave Naturals.

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